Health Insurance deduction for Single employee S-Corp
Very very helpful tax advice - Thank you so much -
I want to see how I can deduct my personal health insurance premium before tax ? I own 100% of my an s-corp with just myself as employee. I pay 820$ for my family HI premium that is in my name . I get a W-2 from my S-corp. Can I re-imburse my HI premium by voucher ( and this willnot appear in my W-2 and will be calculated under my business expense ) - I can write a hiring offer saying that in addition to my salary I can RE-IMBURSE upto 900$ for HI premium for family. Show this amt as a business expense and it will not come in my W-2 . Is this allowed by IRS ?
NOTE: I live in VA which I think allows one person group ins policy and hence know that I cannot deduct the HI premium in my personal name on a pre-tax basis for S-Corp. This is a major expense that is going to decide if I am going to make any money in S-Corp or not
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Why an HRA & FSA?
Linda,
Yes I am a >2% shareholder/employee of my S Corp and the only employee. Since I am a consultant presently working though my Corp the HRA could definitely pay for the medical expenses. I am looking down the road and possibly could have to take a position with a 'job shop' doing contract work for them and they offer no health insurance. First off, the corporation would have no income since paychecks would made out to me with all taxes deducted. Second, would the 'job shop' acknowledge my FSA allowing me to fund it with pre-tax deductable dollars?
Thanks again,
Ron
HRA w/no Corp Income
By keeping profits in the company you could use them to pay the HRA benefits in years when you have no income in the corp. You could have the corp just pay the HRA payments which are exempt from FICA & FUTA taxes. This will have limited benefits if either you or your spouse are covered by an employer subsidized health plan.
No, the job-shop cannot contribute to another employers FSA through withholdings.
L:)
'Special Ordering Rules' HRA vs FSA
Assuming that the S Corp has an HRA established and now wants to allow pre-tax deductible employee contributions to fund an FSA, flexible spending account. What 'special ordering rules' would be placed on HRA reimbursements vs. FSA funds paying for qualified medical expenses? Some detail would help in understanding this.
Thanks again for your help!
Ron
FSA = no way!
If there's anyway you can get rid of the FSA and instead contribute to an HSA - Health Savings Account - do it!
An FSA expires at the end of each year and you lose what's in it. An HSA is 100% yours and is effectively a 401k for health care. It follows you around from job to job... oh, and it's 100% yours. ;)
I've had one for about 2.5 years now and it's amazing how quickly it can build up with something as little as a $100/month. :)
HRA & HRA would be better
I agree. You can use an HSA in combination with an HRA but special ordering rules apply.
The HRA must be a limited purpose HRA, meaning it can be used to reimburse premiums, dental, vision and preventive care expenses. After the deductible has been reached, the HRA can be used to reimburse all expenses.
L:)
Why an HRA & FSA?
Hi Ron,
Why would you want to do this? Do you have other employees? If you're the only employee why not just let the company pay for the health expenses through the HRA?
L:)
Linda, Thanks again for
Linda,
Thanks again for distilling down to the bottom line.
Have yourself a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Ron
Are HRA's Available to TEXAS Corporations?
Linda,
I have recently been told by an insurance agent that a Texas corporation is not allowed to establish an HRA. I also read an article that basically stated the same thing and this article was posted on Core Documents site. Is this true?
Thanks again for your help!
Ron
HRA's in Texas
Hi Ron,
There's nothing that says you can't have an HRA in Texas. In fact this snippet is from the Texas Department of Insurance website:
The point here is if you offer an HRA, you must offer it to all your employees. And you have to offer them similar benefits under COBRA. Well, if you are the only employee of your corporation, that's no problem. But you have to be aware that in case you plan on hiring them in the future.
L:)
Back to Your 'HSA vs HRA' Statements
Linda,
Your last statement now makes more sense to me!
"I think the HRA provides a better benefit than the HSA. Remember if you already have a high-deductible plan, you can still use HRA to pay the deductible and other expenses."
Assume that an S-Corp 2% shareholder/employee has purchased an individual high deductible medical insurance policy which is HSA compatible. If the employee does not set up an HSA but instead the S-Corp sets up an HRA, the HRA can reimburse 100% of the expenses incurred by the employee before the deductible is met, such as prescription drugs, insurance premiums and the cost of office visits. If an HSA had been set up then all of the above expenses incurred must be applied to the deductible before the HRA would be able to reimburse the expenses. By not creating an HSA this would avoid the problem of the 'special ordering rules', HSA first, HRA second.
Is this a correct statement?
Thanks again,
Ron
HSA & HRA
That sounds right to me.
L:)
Linda, Thanks again for
Linda,
Thanks again for further explanation.
Can you lead me to a list of 'other expenses' that the HRA would be able to reimburse a 2% shareholder/employee?
Thanks again,
Ron
Eligible HRA Expenses
Honestly the list is too long to post here. :) Core Documents has an PDF Brochure What is an HRA? That lists what is & is not allowed under the HRA plan.
L:)
Linda, Thanks soooo much
Linda,
Thanks soooo much for the explaination on contributions to a 401K.
Do you have any advice on the S-Corp contributing to a >2% sharehold/employee's HSA.
Thanks
Ron
HSA vs HRA
Hi Ron,
The HSA contribution made on behalf of a 2% shareholder/employee by the S Corporation is also included in your W-2 wages, not subject to FICA or FUTA taxes and can be used to reduce your Gross Income, just like the HRA reimbursements.
However, the HSA has a lower maximum contribution and must be tied with a high-deductible plan. The eligible HSA expenses are considerably more restrictive than eligible HRA expenses. Any unused portion of the HRA reimbursement can be rolled over to future years.
I think the HRA provides a better benefit than the HSA. Remember if you already have a high-deductible plan, you can still use HRA to pay the deductible and other expenses. The one thing you don't get with the HRA is the tax-free growth of your contributions. HRA must be used for health related expenditures actually incurred. Whereas the HSA contribution is money set aside for future expenses.
L:)
More info needed on S-Corp funding a HSA
Linda,
I read your comments concerning a S-Corp reimbursing a >2% shareholder/employee for insurance premiums via a HRA. All of that makes sense except the statement about it being an advantage of having a 401K and "the HRA payments are also used in calculating the maximum contribution". Can you explain this comment. Does this mean that the maximum contributions made by the shareholder/employee to the 401K will be reduced by the amount of the S-Corp's contributions?
I am a >2% shareholder/employee of a S-Corp and will be applying for a HRA shortly to pay for my individual health insurance premiums written in the shareholder/employee's name.
What I need is a clarification and if possible IRS rulings that allow me to define how much and to what extent are the tax ramifications effecting both the S-Corp and the >2% shareholder/employee in contributing/funding a HSA.
Thanks sooooooo much!
How HRA Payments interact with 401(k) Contributions
Hi Ron,
The maximum contribution you can make to a 401(k) retirement plan is a total $45,000 for 2007, but that is composed of two parts. The first is salary reduction. The maximum you can have deducted from your salary to fund your 401(k) if $15,500 for 2007. The second part is the company's contribution to your 401(k). This is limited to 25% of your salary.
So since your HRA reimbursement accounts are counted in your salary your company can contribute more (assuming you haven't hit the $45,000 maximum).
For example if your regular salary is $50K, the most your company can contribute is $12,500. But if you also have another $10K of HRA reimbursements your W-2 Wages are $60K so your corporation can contribute $15,000 to your 401(k) plan, or $2500 more.
Note, I'm talking about an HRA, not an HSA. That is a completely different beast. :)
L:)
HRAs for S-Corps
Well, the IRS would say no when it issued Headliner 163, Health Insurance Covering S Corporation Shareholders back in May 2006. This says that in order to deduct the insurance premium there must be a plan in the company's name. Altering the your offer letter to cover the premium really doesn't help.
However, there is something called a Health Reimbursement Arrangement (HRA) or Section 105 Plan that allows the company to reimburse you for your health insurance premiums and other out of pocket medical expenses.
In order for this to work you need to have a written plan. It has to have some very specific language so you just can't add a motion in your corporate minutes & think you have it covered. There are several companies that provide the written plans and administration including Core Documents".
The way these work is you pay the premium & other expenses out of personal funds. Then you submit a reimbursement request with supporting documentation to the company. The company cuts you a check for the reimbursement and includes that in your W-2 wages. But these wages are not subject to FUTA, FICA or Medicare taxes (or state unemployment).
OK. So far this doesn't sound like a win, but bear with me. :)
At the end of the year your W-2 wages include the health reimbursements and are reported on Line 7 of your 1040. Now when you get to line 29, Self-employed health insurance deduction, you get to deduct the health reimbursements from your total income to calculate your AGI. The net result is you don't pay any income or employment taxes on the reimbursements and the company deducts the reimbursements as salary expense.
This is a great way to get money out of your S-Corp without paying taxes on it. The other advantage is the HRA payments count as wages when the IRS is looking at reasonable income. And if you have a 401(k) or SEP-IRA plan, the HRA payments are also used in calculating the maximum contribution.
And, the HRA payments can include other out of pocket expense besides just the premiums. So if you have co-pays, deductibles, over-the-counter meds, dental expenses, contact lens solutions, etc. these all can be reimbursed in the HRA plan. And you can also be reimbursed for mileage to & from your medical appointments at 17cents /mile (19cents for 2008).
I believe you can set a retroactive start date so you could be still reimbursed for expenses from earlier in the year.
The plans are really affordable. You should definitely look into them. I think this is one the best ways S-Corp owners to save on their taxes but aren't taking advantage of it.
Hope this helps!
L:)
scorp rules
I'm a little concerned about your comment that the HRA included in the W2 could be deducted on the personal tax return. Didn't the IRS also say that the only way for scorp owners to take the personal deduction was also related to who owned the policy? i.e. that if there were not a company related policy, then the deduction cannot occur. If so, the savings via the HRA is reduced - you get the premiums covered, but need to pay tax on the value of the benefit.
S Corp Health Insurance
IRS Notice 2008-01 changes the rules. See my article This Just In...New Rules for S-Corps....
Also, the HRA IS an insurance policy in the company's name. That's why it's eligible for the self-employed health insurance deduction.
Without an HRA you can deduct the premium cost. With and HRA you can deduct both the premium and out of pocket health care costs.
L:)
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